These are my house shoes, great for errands or letting my other Vans air out. Insole in these is permanently glued in and fits true to size, somewhat flat with no support, but with an insole that has an arch for support is perfect! Not a good work shoe, just my lazy, stay at home days off shoe. This one is becoming a hard classic to find and I'm just wondering if this cut has been discontinued or put to rest for now. This style was more surf than skate in my opinion. A dress up, all black suede goes with a suit or nice corduroy pants, not bad with jeans either but not to be worn with khaki pants, yuck!!! My favorite look is shorts with black socks and I like wearing them out for trips out shopping or the mall but not for long standing or walking miles in. Just my 2 cents.